Nemelka's Defense

I was reading this thread about Christopher Marc Nemelka and his works, It was an anti- Nemelka Thread

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/topic/36264-christopher-nemelkas-excellent-adventure/page__st__20

That anyone would even wade through his "sealed portion" is beyond me. From what I understand, he's trying to get people to read and pray about it, but any Latter-day Saint who understands the chain of command knows that God's not going to bypass his established order and use some flake to pull an end-run, especially to produce such trite drival.

So if this was Nemelka's religious beliefs, sure, I'd cut the guy some slack, but a "Joseph Smith" he's not. But he does show that if Joseph Smith were a fraud, he was far more brilliant than Nemelka could ever hope to be. The way some people have dismissed the Book of Mormon, one would think its production was no big deal. But then when one reads "The Sealed Portion," it becomes clear that writing a Book of Mormon is far more complicated. After all, Nemelka has NO WITNESSES. No one saw him with a resurrected being, no one but a friend saw him write it, and it was something he worked on for a long timeâ??and unlike Joseph Smith, he had all the time he needed to work on it. No meetings, no traveling, no organizing. Yet he couldn't produce anything even remotely close to the Book of Mormon. In fact, if Joseph Smith had produced such hackneyed material, Mormonism would be a mere footnote in the religious movements of the early 1800s.

In short, Nemelka illustrates wonderfully that Joseph Smith was ordained of God, and that the Book of Mormon was of God. Nemelka made enough mistakes in his first three pages to discredit him, and it only got worse after that.

 1. Chain of Command -If you are saying that the sealed portion must come from a general authority,  Really?  Where in the Book of Mormon Or the Doctrine and Covenents that G*d specifies that it will come through "The Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints."

In my Opinion you are EXACTLY like the Protestants and the Baptists that claim the Book of Mormon is NOT true --  When has there EVER been an Endless Succession of Prophets .  Did Joseph smith EVER say that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints will have exclusive rights to God's newest works from now on?

2.  No witnesses.  How do you know there are no witnesses? Can you mind read?

3. Joseph smith Vs Christopher Marc Nemelka --  Try comparing yourself to a Baptist priest from the 1830's  and just see how logical you both sound. -- To me they are Both con men Or Both true(BoM + SP)

 He still can be a con man --  But please try to give me more than opinions, Also try to read the book you are condemning --- If you care anything about truth and what actually happens.

★✩ LIVE ! Talking about James Randi and Christopher Mark Nemelka

★✩ James Randi VS Christopher Marc Nemelka

Christopher Marc Nemelka Claims that He is a Prophet of G*d, He Claims that he has the same or similar prophetic abilities as someone like Moses Joseph Smith, Peter, John the Revelator, and Other Prophets of G*D.

He however does not advocate a Religion. He does however have claims that he was able to bring forth knowledge from more than what a normal human has.

One of his claims is that he has the Umim and Thumumm a device that is more advanced than a computer.

Christopher Mark Nemelka also Claims to have his "dendrites" Open or in some way more developed than the rest of us.

Furthermore Christopher Marc Nemelka also Challenges anyone to his "work".

James Randi is a Magician that uses his "Common Sense" to find the TRUTH about Psychics and other Peoples with More+than+human abilies. In fact James Randi also has a challenge that has much more "real world" weight.

James Randi's Million dollar Challenge

So why has Christopher not already taken James Randi's offer. Don't Bullshit with me and say he doesn't know about Jame's offer.


The Answer is that Chris is allergic to Money . If he does anything for Money his powers will be sucked out of him.

this is a legitimate "kryptonite" .


But I don't think James Randi is testing the claims of the supernatural for *ONLY* the money. I'm sure that thier can be a way that *BOTH* challenges can be challenged.

I AM NOT ASKING HIM TO CUT HIS ARM OFF AND PUT IT BACK ON . Any stupid Magician can do that!

However James Randy does not Test Spiritual or Religious Beliefs

2.5 Why can’t I submit a religious or spiritual claim?

Because they are, for the most part, untestable. For example, you can look at a series of events – say surviving an automobile crash, surviving a plane crash, surviving a near-drowning and say “This was the hand of God,” but the point of the Challenge isn’t to give anecdotal evidence. It is to give something testable. Most religious people believe it’s impossible to test God. We’re pretty sure they’re right, though perhaps for different reasons

BUT Chris is not advocating a religion in any way, Maybe Spiritual Beliefs. But he has said a couple of things that "ARE" testable.

RE: James Randi
The things that should be able to be proven without interference from the "GODS";
1. does he posses advanced technology (Urum and Thummum)
Is it Possible to "Prove" though science that 1 author wrote a book 1500 years ago, and 1 man was able to "translate" 1/3 of that book (Joseph Smith). then 150 or more years latter another man was able to "translate" the other 2/3.

It should be technically possible to find out if the Original Author is the same given 2 different data sets. without the Source Material. Much the same way as

A + B = C
OR
A = B -C
OR
B = A - C

Given the Source Material is Agreed to be "theGoldenPlates" by the 2 translators. Imagine it is possible through science that an author is the author of 2 different translated works. How does this "prove with common sense" that Christopher has abilities that he would not have without interference from more Advanced Beings?
Well I guess if I was a computer I would have no concept of the social "weight" of the source material. Nor would the ideas in the "source Material" influence my proofometer.

So most likely James Randi won't come up with a "test" for Christopher Marc Nemelka, HOWEVER I CHALLENGE ANY MORMON OR ANTI MORMON in "Talismans" Test. However Logic can *Proof* something that may be considered Supernatural in of itself.

Lets play around with variables a little bit.

Lets Assume that we can prove that Joseph Smith translated A BOOK from some source material (another book) (Is it possible to prove one translated a book?)

Imagine I was writing a computer program to figure out the relationship between the Golden Plates, Joseph Smith and Chris Nemelka

Function $goldenplates

{

Book of Mormon = DATA

Sealed Portion = DATA

Authors =HumanID( Nephi, Mormon and Moroni)

}

$JosephBOM = 'Book of Mormon' FROM $goldenplates ;

$ChrisSealedPortion = 'Sealed Portion' FROM $goldenplates ;

If $JosephBOM->Authors == $ChrisSealedPortion->Authors

{

'Christopher Marc Nemelka' has same Calling as 'Joseph Smith'

}

Simply put If you can proof that the source material comes from the same author(s) you can proof that Christopher Marc Nemelka has the same Calling (which is currently undefined to the computer) as Joseph Smith.

Don't tell me that does not get Honest Seekers of the truth excited.

See http://www.uclassify.com/browse/uClassify/GenderAnalyzer_v5

See http://www.ageanalyzer.com

I am sure there is much more sophisticated programs out there that can tell you more metadata about 2 books

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